Thoughts and Ideas General

Syllabear3

Member
Refute this video Syllabear:


Beware though, it has more than 90% likes so you may have to actually form your own opinion.
"I am not an expert..." its all i needed to hear. I wasted 1' of my life on you, i hope you are really happy.
I will be back to my ice cream and anime if you excuse me, have a nice day.

Ps: lol'ed how he is holding the bow. Also that bow is really weak at rainy days. Powerful by design but that's its only weakness heh.
 
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Tyon

Member
Lol, just like I thought. You will only listen to experts yet Lars isn't even an expert in historical archery, how hypocritical.

All you do is dismiss other peoples' arguments and shout your own bullshit, enjoy living in delusion thinking any of that garbage parkour is gonna be in Exanima, I look forward to your salt when you realize archery will be something that is actually functional.
 

bobchaos

Member
Any moment now, sylla's going to remove his mask and reveal he is in fact Andy Kaufman, playing the prank of the century on all of us XD It's the only rational explanation!
 

Syllabear3

Member
Lol, just like I thought. You will only listen to experts yet Lars isn't even an expert in historical archery, how hypocritical.

All you do is dismiss other peoples' arguments and shout your own bullshit, enjoy living in delusion thinking any of that garbage parkour is gonna be in Exanima, I look forward to your salt when you realize archery will be something that is actually functional.
I already said that i dont really care about history or your claims, if not what he can do in his videos.
Stop being salty because i discovered that your guy with 90% likes said "i am not an expert in speed shooting" and i stoped watching after such claim.
I don't even need to say nothing about the way he holds the bow, as i already mentioned before.

There are plenty classes of bows as you well know. Soft and small for short range, the long and hard ones for very long distances... etc.
It doesn't take much strength on a poisoned bow for example... it only needs a scratch to kill.
Wow man, do your own research.

ps: and imagine what a real archer, someone that spent his whole life killing as an archer (practicing too) can do, compared to what? 10 years of hobby? I think you already can make the whole picture by yourself.
 
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Hartigan

Member
Sylla, I saw a quote you made about it puncturing gambesons and chainmail. Were the tests done properly, on riveted mail or the cheap butted mail? Also, were the gambesons historically accurate? Or were they reproductions for LARP? The latter are a lot less resistant and light.

I have a huge (and I mean huge) problem with testing that wasn't accurately made and leaves any of the details. After failing to see that in his trick shooting video, why not ask a fan? Could you answer me those questions?

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Shields have been fun in this update, I personally didn't like using them that much, but they do make fighting shield-bearing opponents more interesting. You can't always go for an overhead, or they might just crush your ribs with a mace. Keep up the good work, team!
 

Syllabear3

Member
https://www.google.com.ar/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=UljVV_zWMKWB8Qes7Ly4AQ#q=can+an+arrow+penetrate+chain+mail+or+gambeson?

Serve yourself.
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And about shields, i am not enjoying it. I do have to abuse aiming to feet or bash their shield until they run out of stamina to kill them, IS NOT FUN. Poles totally rekt shields. I dont see how adding shield users on master duels is fun. I highly disagree on that.
The worst part is that i am getting duels against shields non stop and sadly i need to stop playing because is not funny and i get tired of it.
But it seems that i am the only one that dislike it, but heck, i would love an option to remove shields from your game.

In the other hand two handed swords duels are MUCH funnier than before and they are the best duels in exanima because of the speed and animations.
Something i notice in these duels is that trust is less effective than before. I could be making it wrong tho.
 
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Hartigan

Member
Ah, you seem to have misunderstood my question. I do know what arrows do to gambesons and chainmail, I asked about the ones used in Lars' tests and if they are armor-grade or just impractical replicas meant for other uses.

As for ranged weapons? I'm curious about how they'll be implemented. I was skeptical when I first heard about dual-wielding. While I don't use it, I'm very happy with the way the devs did it. It's all somewhat grounded in reality, you don't swing both weapons because that equals double damage, you actually defend with one and attack with the other (I don't think any other devs have done that before, congratulations BM!)
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If this is not the place to discuss that, please, feel free to delete my posts or warn me and I'll delete them myself and avoid it in the future!
 

Syllabear3

Member
How am i suposed to know? If you do your research you can find out what bow can penetrate said armors, and so if Lars vid is truth. I let it on your hands.

Dual wield is really fun.
Ive been thinking that wide slash (left to right and the other way) should use BOTH your swords. It could add lot of style to your movements heh.
 

Elaxter

Insider
No one is calling Lars a fake, you silly billy. People are questioning his claims that what he does is historically accurate. Trickshooting is a valid thing that people have been doing for a long time. Like that guy who can shoot a hole through a dime. It's a trickshot.

I like how you resort to calling people triggered though, @Syllabear3. Though I think Sillybear3 fits better.
 
As for ranged weapons? I'm curious about how they'll be implemented.
I hope it is similar to sword swinging, the finesse you use to swing back the mouse to draw the bow and aim with cursor. Click, swing backward, click, mouse to target, click on the target. Off timing means the arrow goes over the head. Fail the draw, you don't get power. Would make kiting almost impossible.
 

bobchaos

Member
I hope it is similar to sword swinging, the finesse you use to swing back the mouse to draw the bow and aim with cursor. Click, swing backward, click, mouse to target, click on the target. Off timing means the arrow goes over the head. Fail the draw, you don't get power. Would make kiting almost impossible.
It's an interesting user input scheme, certainly better than Diablo-style point-n-click. Unless it's a pure ranged duel, you'll probably only let fly a single arrow before being forced in melee, which is exactly what I want to see if we're going to do bows. Still, not letting go of my throwing weapons idea :p
 

Hartigan

Member
I was thinking dedicated throwing weapons hurled at the enemy from a free hand, but screw it you're idea's better XD
PFFFFFT, the only dedicated weapon I need are my fists.

(I got your idea, but throwing your weapon in desperation is also really funny. Completely impractical, but hell, there are historical manuals teaching how to throw longswords. Why not?)
 

Syllabear3

Member
No one is calling Lars a fake, you silly billy. People are questioning his claims that what he does is historically accurate. Trickshooting is a valid thing that people have been doing for a long time. Like that guy who can shoot a hole through a dime. It's a trickshot.

I like how you resort to calling people triggered though, @Syllabear3. Though I think Sillybear3 fits better.
No one is talking here about history if not adding his "tricks" as skills in exanima.
I already said that i dont care about history neither your claims.

If it can be done by a "trickshooter" it can be done by a profesional archer.
 

Hartigan

Member
If it can be done by a "trickshooter" it can be done by a profesional archer.
I very much disagree, Sylla. A professional archer aims to perfect his techniques, yes, but do you see modern day soldiers jumping around, rotating 2 times and headshotting someone? (I certainly hope not, it must be a bloody awful place you live if you see that much violence).

The act I described above is, indeed, pretty hard. It must take years of practice, or at least months of tries. But you see, it's a different skill. Soldiers are trained to hit center mass, as quick as possible, not to spin and dance while headshotting.

Even if you disagree with that, I can just ask you the following:
What do you consider a "professional archer" as you put it? Someone who has trained for years? Someone who earns money for it? Someone who prefers practicality over showsmanship?

Or, to make it easier, just tell me what's a professional shooter to you. Someone who practices trickshooting for their entire life? Or someone who has trained to be efficient and consistent with shooting their entire life? Because those are rather different sets of skills.
 

Syllabear3

Member
I very much disagree, Sylla. A professional archer aims to perfect his techniques, yes, but do you see modern day soldiers jumping around, rotating 2 times and headshotting someone? (I certainly hope not, it must be a bloody awful place you live if you see that much violence).

The act I described above is, indeed, pretty hard. It must take years of practice, or at least months of tries. But you see, it's a different skill. Soldiers are trained to hit center mass, as quick as possible, not to spin and dance while headshotting.

Even if you disagree with that, I can just ask you the following:
What do you consider a "professional archer" as you put it? Someone who has trained for years? Someone who earns money for it? Someone who prefers practicality over showsmanship?

Or, to make it easier, just tell me what's a professional shooter to you. Someone who practices trickshooting for their entire life? Or someone who has trained to be efficient and consistent with shooting their entire life? Because those are rather different sets of skills.
What you fail to understand, aiming is the most basic and easiest thing an archer can do. Apply such skill in every situation, as Lars explains, is what really counts for me.

Being fired by an arrow, catch it in the air and fire it back within firing a flying arrow middle travel towards you are the most useful things ive ever seen to do with bows.
Just imagine yourself in an archer duel, having a perfect aim would be completly secondary with said skills or "tricks" as you call them.
Archer a only knows to aim, perfectly. Archer b knows to aim aswell, but he knows da "tricks". Who would you win? Of course the archer that knows to avoid being arrowed in the face, be hitting the arrow in the air or catch it and fire it back? AKA tricks, RIGHT? Because archer a just would throw well aimed arrows, but if an arrow is traveling towards his head is unable to react or avoid it. Get it?

It is hard to compare an archer with modern soldiers because of the current weapons. Yet soldiers nowdays are trained in martial arts, a bit of strategic, reflexes, thinking fast, endure and bypass a variety of obstacles ETC. ETC... would you call that simple tricks? i think not, since they will use all of that knowledge and body training to defeat their enemies.
To be a soldier is not simply aim with a huge rifle... same reasoning could be applied for archers? What do you say?

Dude please, stop being short minded.
 
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bobchaos

Member
Guys, you have to stop feeding the troll. You all come at him with reasonable arguments, and he systematically always replies with non-sense that can only happen in his imaginary reality. You guys are debating the idea, he's just debating to win, and therefor will never admit defeat even if he has to resort to claiming unicorns are real and having sex with leprechauns at the end of the rainbow XD

I REALLY enjoyed watching his sorry attempts to defend his archery position, but all good things must come to an end. This thread was supposed to be about ideas, and it's turning into a syllabear3 madhouse :O

Don't worry tho, there's plenty of other threads out there where we can poke the bear :D
 

Hartigan

Member
But bob, this is the fun part!
I know that I am right and that there's sane reasoning behind it. I don't need to prove it to him or anyone else.

But now, aren't you curious to hear some nonsense? Hehehe
Alright, alright, I'll stop derailing this thread, sorry!
Back to the thoughts and ideas (in general):

I'll raise something rather silly, but it's been bothering me because of fashion.

Why are gloves only wearable on Novice rank or afterwards? I mean, they barely protect your hands, and the pugilist's glove protects a lot more, while having no rank restrictions.
 
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